France uncovers a vast Russian disinformation campaign in Europe::undefined

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    10 months ago

    Disinformation or more accurately, lying, is Russian doctrine. Everything that they say seems to be a lie and designed to delay appropriate action.

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      10 months ago

      lying, is Russian doctrine

      Its true. The entire Russian language is just a series of elaborate lies with grammar and syntax. It is impossible to say three consecutive true statements in a Slavic tongue.

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          I think they are joking.

          That said, правда (“truth” as something you believe to be true) and истина (“truth” as objective truth) are different words in Russian, but not having that distinction in a language doesn’t prevent its speakers from making it.

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            In English, you’d just describe that as “objective” and “subjective”. This isn’t in any way uniquely Russian. But its nice to pretend it is, because it plays well with the process of demonization.

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              I can do that in Russian too. I can’t do the former in English.

              There are plenty of things possible in one language and not (yet\anymore) in another. I don’t see what does this have to do with any kind of demonization. Maybe for people knowing only one language, which, yes, is more common for English speakers than I’d like to think.

              I suppose a speaker of Finnish would have something to enlighten us about some languages being in some regards inferior to his own, too. Or a speaker of Icelandic. Or maybe even Persian. There are languages having dozens of words to distinguish shades\textures of snow or sand, or not having future tense.

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                There are plenty of things possible in one language and not (yet\anymore) in another. I don’t see what does this have to do with any kind of demonization.

                Pick a differential, declare that it is a unique good/bad indicator, and then work it into your propaganda. “In Chinese, the word for tragedy is the same as the word for opportunity” to imply Asian businessmen are naturally predatory. The “red heads have no souls” meme, used to denigrate the Irish. The entire field of Phrenology is based on picking differentials and trying to explain your way backwards into why it proves some racist theory.

                Its a boilerplate technique for alienating, mystifying, and ultimately demonizing an outside group.,

  • index@sh.itjust.works
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    10 months ago

    Out of curiosity can anyone point out to me some of this russian disinformation? There’s so much western propaganda around that i really can’t find any

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      Right now, France is gripped by a large labor revolt in the agricultural sector being driven by the state’s effort to increase agricultural imports from North Africa and Eastern Europe while reducing state price-supports for down-year crops. This threatens to lead to large scale real estate consolidation and foreign real estate purchase. Nationalists, agricultural owner-operators, and farmers exposed to rising interest rates (basically all of them) don’t like this very much.

      However, claiming the heartland farmers of rural France are angry at Macron for selling out the agg sector to financial interests in Brussels and Zurich isn’t going to be too popular as we approach the 2024 EU Parliamentary elections. So we’re getting an earful about how all these local yokels are hoodwinked by anti-EU Russian Propaganda.

      If you’re not in favor of truckloads of exported Ukranian agricultural salvage ending up competing with fresh French produce on store shelves, then you’re a secret spy for Putin and a traitor.

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        A perfect demonstration of how Russian indoctrination works right here.

        Original reporting: A major disinfo attack against Europe being prepared by Russia is uncovered through diligent investigation and published and reported on.

        The response:

          1. divert to farmer’s dissatisfaction with several policies
          1. cast disinfo reports as underhanded attempts (by politician Russia wants gone) to arrogantly brush off farmer’s concerns (which the report never even related to)
          1. claim Macron is selling out to EU (here, have a serving of anti-EU sentiment, too)
          1. vaccinate reader against the disinfo being countered (“everyone who tells you otherwise belittles you and hates you, join us in our righteous anger”)

        Emotional framing:

        Nationalists, agricultural owner-operators, and farmers exposed to rising interest rates

        “truckloads of exported Ukranian agricultural salvage” vs. “fresh French produce”

        we’re getting an earful about how all these local yokels are hoodwinked by anti-EU Russian Propaganda

        Macron for selling out the agg sector to financial interests in Brussels

        “If you’re not in favor of (insert supposed evil acts described in lurid way), then you’re a secret spy for Putin and a traitor.”

        Result: The reader comes out the other end an angry person, outraged about the plight of farmers, outraged again at disinfo reports supposedly serving to silence them, outraged once more at a France politician selling them out to the EU, EU painted as high-and-mighty villain, automatic anger against anyone who tells them a different viewpoint ready to trigger.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          A major disinfo attack

          The question was “What disinformation is being circulated?”

          And the answer is “By answering this you are doing Russian propaganda”

          Result: The reader comes out the other end an angry person

          Isn’t that the same result as the original “Russia is doing an evil propaganda” headline?