Why do they consider racism, orientalism and lies disputed long ago “valid criticism”. Not even mentioning the lack of humility or a will to learn, just constant snarkiness, smugness and an unrelenting feeling of superiority. Just please, engage with us on equal terms and don’t be dismissive.
Edit: Don’t go into the comments if you value your day…
on the contrary, Lemmygrad is a great place to criticize the CPC if you have actual informed criticism, whereas most instances won’t allow that since genuine criticism requires acknowledging the many positive aspects of China’s leadership
I never understood why people thought this would be a good thing. Growth for the sake of growth is meaningless. The best way to grow the community is by attracting sane people who are capable of having adult discussions. Focusing on a number of users is misguided. What really matters is sustainability. The only things that actually matter are having enough users to create content, having sustainable development resources, and enough funds for hosting the community.
Having a bunch of radlibs swarm Lemmy doesn’t really add any actual value, and creates no end of problems. Thankfully, we can at least mitigate the damage thanks to federation.
I agree.
Alas the logic of capitalism is like a poisonous fog, seeping into every room.
indeed
The fights can be fun, though. Like back on reddit when some lib wandered in and defended prostitution or the government in Ukraine or something, and then got massively dunked on by everybody
Literally saw someone in that Beehaw thread talking about “we’re a safe space for minorities” and shit complaining that they’d posted up a picture of Winnie the Pooh somewhere and got banned for it. They’re literally just western-chauvinist redditors looking for somewhere to piss all over and call theirs.
Yo as per our survey, more than 60% of our users don’t identify as white, cis het males. Additionally we have users from literally over the world. Waiting to see Beehaw’s survey.
Waiting to see Beehaw’s survey.
You know, actually being the minority here is very reasurring
Łumało
Is this a transliteration of “wumao”?
Yes
Edit: Ł in Polish sounds like W in English.
wow > łał
Honestly that’s fantastic. Data don’t lie…
A lot of the xinnie the pooh edits are racial caricature, ironically enough (skin tone)
To my knowledge, they’re ALL racist charicatures
That’s hard to say, since the meme began in China, but the widespread adoption in the US probably was connected to racist appeal
TIL the meme began in China
Unfortunately yeah, undoubtly by some liberal or even likely westerner living there since except yellow Xi it also included Obama as “Tigger” (how subtle):
that they’d posted up a picture of Winnie the Pooh somewhere and got banned for it
Fuck around and find out.
Yeah I’ve seen that Winnie… Shit was even AI generated 💀
Yup, seen that thread. I reported some users calling Russians “orcs” and i was actually chastised in PM by mod who apparently think it is normal exchange of political opinions.
EDIT: And while the dehumanisation, bigotry, racism, orientalism etc. etc. comments still stands, this happens:
BuGiJu was doing a great job of contributing constructively from what I remember. Absolute bullshit on the mods’ part. StalinsMoustache was correct but a bit low-effort and antagonistic, so it was to be expected (though I obviously don’t support it).
At least it was only two days for the former, but still bullshit
They are also doubling down:
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/729033
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/728499
Afaik that particular mod begged himself into modding today and immediately start banning ML’s, exactly what ultras always do on reddit.
Wow, that’s pretty pathetic
*20 days
it was 2 days for the former (BuGiJu), 20 for the latter
The problem is mostly 196.
Also some instances like lemmy.world seem to just approve anybody who’s making a request to join. So all the idiots go there and then spread to other instances.
Wouldn’t be surprised if some of what’s happening is part of a psyop.
Does lemmy.world allow criticism of the CCP?
Am a little confused by your post, comrade. Exactly which SSR are you talking about?
I love you JucheBot1988, that made me chuckle
It was always going to end with those losers setting up shop. But hey it’s great to see that MLs are making great strides in geopolitics for humanity, and all the bootlickers from reddit can do is troll on lemmy.
They genuinely think flooding lemmy is going to help stop the multipolar world. Think about that for a second - how stupid you have to be and how desperate you have to be to resort to that. So framed in this way, we know that they will go the way of history and that progress marches on, ignoring their tears.
Your comment is a big cope, MLs will never be relevant; parts of the left (even those more radical than you) calls you ‘red fascist’. The tears thing is kind of funny since the whole point of this post is to cry about ‘liberals’ entering your little comfy safe space.
there are more communists in the state of Kerala, India, than there are anarchists in the world. Your whiteness shows.
even those more radical than you
Who is more radical than MLs? You, who spend your time trolling online? 😂
You make the mistake of thinking that ‘communists’ all are MLs, an easy mistake to make but if you really try to educate yourself on communism and its history you’ll find out it’s not true. It’s funny how you think being a tankie makes you the the most radical of the left, when you will happily support states with mixed economies, oligarchies and theocracies. Only Stalin was happy making deals with nazis, the people before him, not so much.
You should follow the good example of your username buddy
Hey, do you have any resources that might discuss the ‘flavours’ of communism? I’m looking for good reading material and this sounds like a specific tangent I’d like to be more knowledgeable on.
I think too many people get caught up on a consumer-identity mode of relating to these things. It’s way more useful to have good fundamental understanding. For very early socialism, Engels provides an excellent summary in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, since the bulk of pre-Marxist philosophers were put by Marx and Engels in the “utopian” category. Text. Audiobook.
While I think Conquest of Bread is probably worth looking at for an economic skeptic of the idea of a classless, moneyless society, generally it seems to me to be the best strategy to prioritize looking at works that were associated with actual projects of socialist states, and the first person to lead such an endeavor that made it to the “actual nation-building” stage was Lenin.
“MLs will never be relevant” is very funny, thanks for the laugh 👍
The hundreds of millions of people lifted out of poverty in China probably disagree with you.
Ahh yes, the people lifted out of poverty by loosening the rules regarding private property, allowing western investment, and moving away from planned economy? Or do you consider the period of the great leap forward as lifting people out of poverty because it lifted their spirit out of their bodies?
The liberal’s China: when it succeeds, it’s because capitalism. When it fails, it’s because communism. Truly a genius way of looking at the world.
If we weren’t relevant, you wouldn’t have even posted this.
Seethe and cope
ok cracker
Most ironic nickname ever.
People like those in the comments are why I worry about my students from the PRC who want to study in the imperial core.
I had a few classmates from the PRC when I was in college. At the time I criticized them and thought they were weird for only keeping to themselves and not wanting to socialize with people outside their group. Now I think I know why they were like that, and i don’t blame them.
I’d be more worried about the savvy propagandists. Idiots in that thread can’t even comprehend the perspectives your students would have from actually living in the PRC, so there will most likely just be a communication breakdown.
True, true. I shouldn’t worry about most of them. Perhaps the students are genuinely inoculated against such stupidity.
Hadn’t thought of it that way. Could you expand on it?
Sure. A little background first, my students are relatively well-off and mostly did not succeed during their time in compulsory education. So, they decided to study outside the PRC, mostly because they had a small chance of making it into the better domestic universities.
Most students, at least at this school, go to either the UK or Australia. Though a few occasionally do go to Canada or the US. Of course, I don’t feel comfortable actively dissuading the students from going (they get enough pressure from parents and other staff at the school), but sometimes I wonder if I should.
Anyway, looking at comments that infantalises an entire group of people just because they were born on a different piece of dirt, not to mention downright genocidal rhetoric, makes me think that students from the PRC isolating themselves from that sort of brain rot is a successful self-preservation technique.
Which, while answering the question of “why do Chinese students seem to only stick together.” It feels like people who would comment in such a provocative way are just minutes from doing actual bodily harm to others.
But maybe I’m over thinking it and these folks have little or no chance of coming into contact with PRC citizens.
My best friend did education outside of China (her entire family has been living in US for a while but they keep declining her visa in spite of having no relatives anywhere else) and currently works in Europe. Two men from Poland kept harassing her at work with racists comments. No manager has ever done anything. They apparently won’t get their contracts prolonged which is nice but for fuck’s sake… She follows the Chinese community in the country she lives in and apparently racism got even worse as of late. I remember an ethnically Asian old lady got thrown from a high bridge into water a few years ago around there. My blood boils when I see sinophobes.
Yeah Poland is mega racist and I hate having to ignore that shit sometimes due to managers also propagating racist stereotypes and using them for “jokes”. Oh and don’t let me forget the constant badmouthing behind people’s backs…
I have an Indian friend, and when we were visiting a the city close to my home village he was getting looks, people were even looking behind themselves after we passed them. He felt uncomfortable to say the least.
Yea I had a Polish manager who literally banned an employee for making a communist joke (the employee wasn’t even a commie and it was one of the low hanging “our” type jokes). He’d go on an unironic rant how black history month is racist towards white people and how he was oppressed because they wrote black with uppercase and white with lowercase. Polish coworkers joked how a person’s gender cannot be told because they’re Chinese and then they concluded Chinese is a gender… I don’t like holding any grudges against groups but shit like this makes me wary.
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Of course, I don’t feel comfortable actively dissuading the students from going (they get enough pressure from parents and other staff at the school), but sometimes I wonder if I should.
It might be worth just mentioning about your perspective on the racism issue, but you’re right to avoid adding pressure.
I did have a fun conversation the other day about racism in the US with a student, but such topics really only come up in one-on-one discussions. And they don’t have time for many of those throughout the year.
I just joined here a couple days before the Reddit thing happened. They’re bringing all of what I didn’t miss from quitting Reddit years ago. At least on the bright side I can mostly stay out of all that here.
Its a fucking nightmare over there. Left reddit because of this shit sad to see the other instances turning into reddit.
I hope people will realise very soon that the only civilised places will be the ones that make a point of federatimg with lemmygrad, with heavy moderation.
Then, if lemmy.ml and/or lemmygrad fails (allegory to ussr, Moscow), we will have to learn from those experiences and try a few new ones (allegory to Cuba, dpkr, laos) to figure out how to build something nice.
And then maybe some big instance will emerge (allegory to China), carrying lemmy and lemmygrad ideals, slightly off, but possibly with a better understanding of the internets inherent characteristics. And they will be criticised for dishonoring the legacy by people that didn’t bother to build their own instance.
That’s my humble forecast (and a joke, explanation in parenthesis) slightly inspired by history. Good luck to us all.
Completely agree 👍. It’s how everything should work IMO: try, fail, make better.
I may have gotten that thread closed by making fun of someone’s Winnie the Pooh picture.
o7
Have you really lived if you didn’t get a space closed because of your actions?
Oh sheit, I hope lemmy.world don’t become a fascist haven… I only joined here for the Genshin community, but I’m glad I have a backup account on lemmygrad.
We aren’t all shitty imperialist shills ):
The real question is if lemmy.world allow praise of the ccp, because apparently “no tankie” is an unspoken rule.
Kind of depressing actually, but I did find comments of lemmygraders not being banned which is pretty cool.
I’m a reddit refugee. So if I understand correctly when I post here it will be moderated by my local instance and GenZendong ?
I’m not completely sure, but I think every instance can block/ban certain users. So if you post in lemmygrad with a lemmygrad user, then only lemmygrad mods/admins will be able to ban you yes.
I think it’s very telling that once they run out of talking points, they resort to throwing a tantrum, swearing at you and demanding to be banned like it’s a victory.
Yes
