You’ll see anarchists praising Rosa Luxemburg, who if they had actually read her writings – they would see that she was very clearly one of the “authoritarian” socialists that they rail against so much.
You see them praise the Black Panthers, who were supported financially by the DPRK and aligned themselves with the Juche ideology of Kim Il Sung.
They even praise Thomas Sankara, who purged anarchists and arrested syndicalists.
If these people had succeeded, i have no doubt in my mind that anarchists would call them “tankies,” they would call their experiments “capitalism with a red flag.” And I also have no doubt in my mind that if the October Revolution, Chinese Revolution had been crushed, they would hail Lenin and Mao as proletarian heroes.
Why put the Black Panthers in here? 🤨
The Black Panther platform, as I understand it, was:
The Juche platform is:
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Why is that?
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Sure, send me some threads if you’re okay with that. I’m not looking for argument if you don’t want it, but I definitely don’t agree out of the gate with your assertion. I’ve read negative stories about the DPRK in all kinds of journalistic outlets that aren’t anonymous and that I wouldn’t expect to be CIA-influenced.
There are countries where I would 100% agree with your assessment of where the blame lies for their situation (Cuba is probably the prime example), but North Korea isn’t one of them. Send me the source threads, I’m curious.
I’m guessing you’re referring to defectors. Many people left in 90’s because of legitimately bad conditions thanks to sanctions and the fall of the USSR. When they go into South Korea they are put into camps where they check if the defectors are spies and then try to brainwash them against communism and against their former leaders. Then once they are free they are often paid large amounts of money to tell (and exaggerate) their story of escape. The more crazy and horrible the story the more they get paid. A decent amount of people want to go back, but the SK government won’t let them. For more information watch ‘Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seol’ which someone already linked.
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If you post some links, we can dig into them. Again, not in an argumentative way (insofar as it’s possible with a topic so spicy).
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I think the Panthers and the DPRK end up getting mentioned in the same breath a lot because of the communications they shared; though nothing I’ve studied ever suggested they outright adopted Juche. If someone’s got like-- hard and fast recollection that’s stored somewhere that they did, though; I’d very much like to see it if only for completion of my own understanding.
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Agreed, I’d like to see it as well. Because to me, it sounds a lot like this type of smear that’s common in American politics. “You gave an award one time to this POET who also advocated for BLOWING UP THIS BUILDING so clearly you support everything he said, so you’re a terrorist!”
The specific assertion was that the BPP “aligned themselves with the Juche ideology of Kim Il Sung.” I’m asking, is that accurate? Or did they just talk and were they both generally socialist in nature?
How is it a smear? Both are groups fighting against genocidal Yankees. It makes sense for them to have solidarity with each other.
They were on amicable terms with each other
"Juche is a political ideology that serves as the guiding principle of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), commonly known as North Korea. It was developed by the country’s first leader, Kim Il-sung, and is still upheld by subsequent leaders, including Kim Jong-il and Kim Jong-un.
Juche is often translated as “self-reliance” or “self-determination” and emphasizes the self-reliance and sovereignty of the nation. It promotes the idea that the Korean people are the masters of their own destiny and should rely on their own efforts, resources, and capabilities rather than being dependent on external forces. It encompasses political, economic, and cultural aspects of society.
From the perspective of the DPRK and its citizens, Juche emphasizes the importance of independence and the pursuit of their own unique path. It places great significance on the Korean people’s revolutionary spirit and their ability to shape their own destiny. Juche encourages self-sufficiency and the development of domestic industries and resources, aiming to reduce reliance on foreign aid and external influences.
In practical terms, Juche has manifested itself in various policies and practices within North Korea. These include an emphasis on economic self-reliance, the pursuit of nuclear weapons as a means of national defense and deterrence, the promotion of a distinct national identity and culture, and the concept of “military-first politics” (Songun) which prioritizes the military in the allocation of resources.
It’s important to note that the understanding and interpretation of Juche can vary depending on who you ask. While the DPRK government presents it as a fundamental principle that guides their policies, some critics argue that Juche is used as a tool for maintaining the regime’s control and isolating the country from the rest of the world.
Overall, Juche, from the perspective of the DPRK and its citizens, promotes the idea of self-reliance, independence, and the pursuit of their own unique path in political, economic, and cultural spheres."
One can easily see the parallels with the Panther’s approach to self reliance, and community care/defense organizations etc.
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Hey, you are here! You are a tankie, now, welcome!
There’s an actual made-up tank for everyone, don’t forget to claim yours in the reception. And don’t forget to visit the infighting community for free for all arguments where the only thing one knows is that everyone else is wrong.
Cheers!
PS: I keep screwing up with posting from multiple instances. D: