🤷♂️ there’s got to be some place for the average person to go without being screamed at by some nerd calling them a boot licker.
I also think the “confusion” of fediverse is overblown. People aren’t confused. First adopters who don’t want to be screamed at by flying squid aren’t telling friends and family to join.
The people here and their attitude towards people who don’t agree with them are the problem.
The people here and their attitude towards people who don’t agree with them are the problem.
And that’s a structural problem. The ActivityPub was supposed to allow both the “average person” and the “nerd” to coexist in the same platform, without one getting too much in the way of the other; it doesn’t.
Your typical instance only defeds another as a last case scenario, due to deep divergences or because of blatantly shitty admin or user behaviour. But, past that, they’re still willing to let some shit to go through - because if you defederate too many other instances, with no good reason, you’re only hurting yourself.
That’s simply not enough to create those “corners”. Specially when all this “nerds vs. normies*” thing is all about depth - for example the normie wants some privacy, but the nerd goes all in, but they still care about the same resources.
Defederation from hexbear.net happened quickly and with very little debate. The mods on world ADORE censorship. They are almost worse than even the censorship on Reddit. If you’re too left or right wing for them, you’re going to have a very bad time. It’s forced centrism through putting up unavoidable blinders and it is the kneejerk reaction of that instance (and a few others).
Same with hexbear. They banned me for not being left wing enough. This behavior is more toxic than a place where all are allowed to communicate IN GOOD FAITH and are only censored or banned when it is ABSOLUTELY the only option to move forward. Hiveminds are bad. Banning people and defederation is utterly anathema to the intended purpose of the fediverse. Anyone who supports censorship should take a step back and think humbly and deeply about what they are doing, smugly preventing others from expressing their opinions.
Can you come up with more examples? Because you’re coming across as “this happened to me, personally, once, therefore it’s run amok!”
No one is saying that defederation doesn’t happen. They’re saying it’s not the norm. And hexbear isn’t the norm, any more than lemmygrad, or poa.st are.
🤷♂️ there’s got to be some place for the average person to go without being screamed at by some nerd calling them a boot licker.
I also think the “confusion” of fediverse is overblown. People aren’t confused. First adopters who don’t want to be screamed at by flying squid aren’t telling friends and family to join.
The people here and their attitude towards people who don’t agree with them are the problem.
And that’s a structural problem. The ActivityPub was supposed to allow both the “average person” and the “nerd” to coexist in the same platform, without one getting too much in the way of the other; it doesn’t.
I’m not sure on a good solution for that.
They don’t coexist peacefully in life, why would they do it here?
My nerd and techy friends, even the more progressive ones, do just fine in most places.
Lemmy has the extremist and most angry.
They tolerate each other enough to get each into a corner and not interact much.
And yet that is not what we see in the Fediverse. Those “corners” don’t exist here.
Are you sure? In my experience, they defederate from each other.
I’m almost sure.
Your typical instance only defeds another as a last case scenario, due to deep divergences or because of blatantly shitty admin or user behaviour. But, past that, they’re still willing to let some shit to go through - because if you defederate too many other instances, with no good reason, you’re only hurting yourself.
That’s simply not enough to create those “corners”. Specially when all this “nerds vs. normies*” thing is all about depth - for example the normie wants some privacy, but the nerd goes all in, but they still care about the same resources.
*I hate this word but it’s convenient here.
Defederation from hexbear.net happened quickly and with very little debate. The mods on world ADORE censorship. They are almost worse than even the censorship on Reddit. If you’re too left or right wing for them, you’re going to have a very bad time. It’s forced centrism through putting up unavoidable blinders and it is the kneejerk reaction of that instance (and a few others).
Same with hexbear. They banned me for not being left wing enough. This behavior is more toxic than a place where all are allowed to communicate IN GOOD FAITH and are only censored or banned when it is ABSOLUTELY the only option to move forward. Hiveminds are bad. Banning people and defederation is utterly anathema to the intended purpose of the fediverse. Anyone who supports censorship should take a step back and think humbly and deeply about what they are doing, smugly preventing others from expressing their opinions.
Can you come up with more examples? Because you’re coming across as “this happened to me, personally, once, therefore it’s run amok!”
No one is saying that defederation doesn’t happen. They’re saying it’s not the norm. And hexbear isn’t the norm, any more than lemmygrad, or poa.st are.
But your normie friends and family would fit in a lot better if they simply read some T H E O R Y.
For many people, learning things and reading are anathema.
i just learned that word a few hours ago!