Ackchually my OS is GNU/Linux/systemd/Gnome/Fedora/Wayland/dnf/flatpak or something, did I forget one? idgaf
Colleague:
“I need to use Linux and my boyfriend suggested I use Ubuntu, is that right?”Me (screaming internally, deciding on whether to rant on bloatware, on Canonical, on reproducibility, on monetization, on many things wrong with the world, but not wanting to come off as an elitist, nor scare her off the idea altogether):
“… that, that should be fine.”
You know what? I’m gonna fucking say it, GNU is a shitty name and that’s why no one uses it! Most people don’t care about credit or accuracy, Linux is just infinitely better than GNU/anything or even just GNU on its own.
Linux Is Not Ur Xylophone
Why do you guys insist on calling it GNU/Linux? It’d be like if you called your car a V8, and some weirdo insists you call it “transmission/V8”
I still don’t get why a toolchain that can be replaced but never was able to make a stable kernel of its own after twenty years should get top billing in the name of the OS. A lot of that stuff was left in the dust, its relevance to the system grows smaller each year while the Linux kernel is the only reason they were ever able to make a complete OS in the first place.
Hardly anyone uses GNU without Linux; way more people use Linux without GNU than with it.
Plus, the community at large has decided long ago that the name is just Linux… Does it matter that that’s the name of the kernel? No. Windows and MacOS aren’t named after their kernels, or their toolchains, or any other component.
Anyway, there wasn’t an OS until there was Linux to bring it all together.
Linus is the one who got a workable thing out in the public’s hands. He didn’t even want to name it Linux, but someone came up with that name and it stuck.
The GNU project did a lot of great things, but ultimately they weren’t able to get a full-fledged operating system out that people could use, so they lost the opportunity to name it. It really shouldn’t matter to them though. GNU is well known, its philosophies are critical to how the free software and open source communities work, it was basically a massive success in the way almost no other volunteer non-commercial projects ever are.
But tagging “GNU/” in front of Linux is dumb.
I don’t think tagging GNU in front of Linux is dumb, people wouldn’t care to figure out who they are and what its about if they didn’t do that. You have to give credit to both of them. I still would want GNU there, even if I don’t say it most of the time. I call it Linux mostly but sometimes I call it GNU plus Linux just to be accurate.
Even now with more eyes on GNU, Herd still isn’t a serious kernel. BSD has more users and support than GNU Herd.
I thank the GNU community for making wonderful tools and making libre software possible, but it doesn’t exactly deserve top billing.
Linux without GNU can live, with BusyBox or Android. GNU without Linux would have never taken off. Though I’m curious if in another timeline without GNU, Linux might not have taken off, as GNU had all the tools but no kernel.
My OS is Ubuntu
Here the evidence that the fediverse is peaceful. No one lynching this user.
Can I ask why? You’ve witnessed public opinion about it, and don’t care. Why?
calm down before it becomes rocky linux
Let’s make it lignux, but replace gnu with the Spanish word ñu and now it’s liñux
Dammit I cannot unsee it now.
I will keep saying Liñux now.
Exactly, like how android is not linux, it’s android
It’s all semantics. In my mind, the OS is Tux Racer, and the kernel is Ubuntu.
If you agree with the guy on the left, you would also have to call Chrome OS “Chrome OS/Linux” to be consistent. It sounds dumb because it is
What about OS with Linux kernel but no GNU stuff?
That might be difficult.
Linux was made to run GNU software, and is borderline part of GNU. GNU, likewise, is made open, much like the Linux kernel, so it can run on anything.
I don’t know of any software designed for the Linux kernel that doesn’t also expect GNU.
Look, all I’m saying is that the two are very strongly bonded, like hydrogen and oxygen in a molecule of water. It would take a lot of energy to separate them. Adding to them is pretty trivial, there’s a lot of things that are water soluble by default, but without specific conditions and a lot of energy, they won’t seperate easily.
Honestly, I think the only OS I know of that’s the closest to being Linux but not GNU, is Android.
Alpine Linux exists. But yeah, most of these projects pretty much do the same thing as their GNU counterparts, just outside the license.
Alpine has no GNU.
“IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS ITS STILL GNU!”
You wouldn’t call Windows GNU/WindowsNT if it was compiled with gcc, would you?
Chimera Linux?
Dinit ftw!
Just to be clear:
It was actually the young guy throwing the chair in the show. His text is supposed to be saying something angrily at that panel.
Yeah, that part of this meme didn’t make sense to me because of that… Like, he goes from calmly saying no big deal to yelling and throwing a chair in the middle of it for no reason?
