I don’t know how but somehow it feels like lemmy is even more full of arrogant, moronic libs than reddit. Such a bloodthirsty, warmongering pack of Western chauvinists. I can’t even stand being anywhere but lemmygrad now. I seriously fucking hate these people.
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Some time recently I sorted by all and came across a post (on lemmy.world I think) shaming US Republicans for voting against sending weapons to Ukraine. I’m not a conservative either, but it really astounds me when liberals like that advocate for war and destruction then get on their ivory tower and think they are fighting for freedom and democracy.
They always do. Because liberals still navigate the world believing in the objective reality of morality. They think there is real true evil and real true good and that while the US may not be real true good (like them and their family are) at least they can all agree that Russia and China and Iran are real true evil.
Basically, liberals have that scene from Team America playing in their heads on loop during all political thinking sessions: “Yes, dicks fuck pussies. But sometimes dicks fuck assholes.” And they nod to themselves as they pat themselves on the back for understanding that despite the humor, the movie is absolutely right.
This is one of the posts in the last couple of days that prompted me to post this thread.
They’re “anti-war champions” until it’s the Republicans who are against the war, then they’re staunch warmongers.
Almost as if the whole “anti-war” thing in American politics was just another means of controlling narratives.
To be fair, liberals in the US were not against the invasions of Iraq or Afghanistan until after the wars were basically over.
When they promptly forgot they ever supported it.
Hahahaha. Would you prefer they were conquered by force by Russia? Followed by the many atrocities Russia loves to perpetrate?
Yeah, no. Standing by isn’t the virtuous course of action here.
If you actually care about Ukrainians then surely you wouldn’t want to see their children get blown to bits by the cluster munitions that the US is sending them now, right?
Surely you’re arguing in good faith? You do understand that of horrible people in the ussr, a Ukranian named Bandera could be argued as the worst one, considering all the collaborating with nazis he did (and thus, actual genocide). And Ukraine sure likes to lionize that Ukrainian Nazi for some reason
In the same way that a police officer “conquers” a murderer or a rapist.
You don’t have to use cracker language to justify UkraNazi violence, just say you hate Russians.
That’s why Lemmygrad is my chill space. I recommend avoiding unnecessary lib brainrot for the sake of your own mental health. Maybe there is a need to tell people what Marxism-Leninism actually is and what is is not, but I think that spending too much time arguing with libs online is a waste. I salute my comrades with nerves of steel, though, if they can do it and not go insane.
also, I think it’s more effective to try to educate liberals who stumble upon Lemmygrad instead of doing it on their own instances, since our comments will just be mass downvoted and/or removed
Agreed. I would add that even stupid views should be challenged with basic respect for the person, at least as long as they seem to ask genuine questions. Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish if they come in good faith, but other people following the discussion might learn something instead of getting the negative impression on us.
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Every day, the bigger news communities mirror /r/worldnews more and more. I am already starting to see all the same talking points, the same complaining about tankies, and the same three jokes about China that they already have.
Don’t worry, comrade. They won’t be able to prop up their unjust societies for much longer. The feedback loops are happening as we speak, and the multipolar world struggles to be born. Their mouths’ll be running a whole lot less when a spent character means another iota of gut-gnawing hunger, or skin-roasting heat.
I don’t even try to engage them in good faith anymore. I just insult them and fan the flames of world war.
I’m not sure if that’s the best course of action. I didn’t want to do leftist infighting over on the lib instance, but some of your comments over there make it seem like we are the ones lusting for more war and death. I think there’s a clear difference between arguing (even angrily) with libs and trolling with “hope your country gets nuked”. It makes those of us actually engaging with them on good faith and trying to educate look bad by association.
agreed, extreme trolling like that is just going to discourage other instances’ more open-minded liberals from visiting Lemmygrad, because they’ll assume you’re being serious
Yep. Why make things worse than they already are?
This has 9 downvotes from those pieces of shit LMAO
Is there a way to stay federated so they have to read our posts sometimes but they can’t downvote? They can comment, then we can mock them, but silently, anonymously downvoting is too cowardly to abide.
Downvoting doesn’t do anything though. Does it?
Mostly just annoying. Kinda wish the site didn’t have downvotes or maybe even upvotes. Specifically downvotes though are never used to indicate “This info is factually wrong” or “This is a racist comment.” I mean, they might also be, but the primary usage despite any intention years ago is a cathartic “fuck you!” to the person you’re downvoting. It’s used so much for that purpose that I basically mentally swap downvotes for upvotes when it’s a topic that will anger libs. Their disapproval just shows me I probably said something correct (but also further shows the worthlessness of the downvote button). Probably the “like” button is about the only useful such device to indicate engagement but limit butthurt kneejerk downvotes.
And before anyone thinks I’m making this like my life priority: I’m really not. I don’t care that much. It’s just one of those things which seems outdated and should go away but probably never will because the anticipated asshurt is so high. I absolutely know reddit soys, chud or libs, would lose their minds crying over it if it happened (see the time YouTube removed their dislike button- people fucking still try to code it back in lol).
Welp, back to downvoting all the liberal comments :)
If you don’t like downvotes, you could always use hexbear, they should be federating in this upcoming week
I appreciate the recommendation, but I’ll probably keep slogging on the downvotes as badges of honor. After so many years of pissing off swarms of redditors, well, time to do some more I guess. So far I have enjoyed the times I’ve seen people handwringing over the .ml domain (when they learn it can mean more than the country it’s meant for lol) and how they’re like “well yeah spez sucks, BUT ARE WE GONNA GO TO A TANKIE SITE!?” I love it.
Carry on then soldier
it might affect the “Hot” rankings (just a guess)
Yeah, you need to not go into any political or climate communities otherwise you will end up having to see their racist opinions.
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I have met some people that are vaguely like this but I’ve never pressed them enough to see how far they go. They love to talk about communist atrocities, but especially when any kind of atrocity comes up. I’m just like, and back to what we are actually talking about…
I have met people irl who talk like that. Pure liberalism turns humans into racist genocidal yankbots.
I have no problem believing that real people behave like this. I wish the reactionaries didn’t invent and abuse the ‘NPC’ meme because it’s literally so applicable to this exact scenario.
I doubt they’re feds. Living in the US, I can guarantee that the level of indoctrination here is so absolute, you don’t need to hire or recruit people to spread the propaganda. The kind of messages and symbols used in children and family shows, what they spin in the history books for public and private schools, and the news we’re bombarded with daily, and how its filtered through social media, all reinforce the same narratives and prejudices, raising generations that don’t even need to be paid to make propaganda - they think it’s the truth. There are whole swathes of the population who think they’re fighting some great crusade against tyranny by shitposting about China online.
It’s annoying, and they are a threat to our ability to come together and communicate, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the feds are even trying with them. The anti-communist hate in the US - and the racism against Chinese and Russians - is intense enough that they don’t have to do anything other than keep the news cycles going. The libs do the rest.
you’re right, it’s socially reinforced. the Overton window is narrow and no one takes kindly to anyone trying to move beyond it because that’s scary to the herd.
Most Americans have reactionary views. Out in the wild you will encounter very few MLs. Even their anti-war people aren’t actually anti-war anymore or at least for the right reasons, it’s usually because it costs THEM too much.
I’m sad to see the lib infestation on lemmy.ml. I joined in June just before all the mass migration and it was a comfy place. I really appreciate seeing the regulars on lemmygrad.ml posting news from the other side of the spectrum on !worldnews@lemmy.ml, even though they tend to get bombarded with downvotes (without any well-considered, thoughtful responses as to why they don’t agree with said articles in the comments).
And then there is lemmy.world. Like you said, such a hateful and bloodthirsty hive mentality, it’s impossible to communicate your points when they refuse to reconsider their semantics and “facts”. Their response is always “AUTHORITARIAN! GENOCIDE! WHATABOUTISM”, as if those words reduce to anything outside of their societal domains—their language game—so to speak.
It all comes down to the mods, I suppose. If we have enough solid, socialist mods that don’t take any shit then they can keep the libs in check. When large instances don’t have that, the libs run amok.
I love the way you were able to lure in your opponents, to engage with them in such a subtle intellectual challenging way.
Always appreciate when people can start high quality dialogue like this.
Who needs an echo chamber, when we can all discuss our differences in such a mature fashion.
Bravo
Liberals are the only people who could write a post like this with such a lack of self awareness as to fail to realize how blatantly hypocritical it is.
As mentioned, always appreciate intelligent dialogue. Was a treat. Thanks
Liberals are neither intellectual nor do they actually want dialogue.
They’re so hostile to differing opinions that they have sullied the very word for propagating ideas. The connotation that such an action is inherently negative and something that entails deception was added by them. The redefinition of the word propaganda is ironically the result of liberal propaganda.
The liberal claims to want intellectual dialogue while having the knowledge of the average yankee
Crakkkers are not allowed here
Echo echo echo
Crackkkers are not allowed here
Liberals when scientists get the same results: “iTs An eChO cHamBer”
In psychology it’s called “projection”, and this post is a perfect example of it. Thank you.
Shut the fuck up cracker.
Lol the irony is absolutely amazing.
Go back to watching your violent Fox News propaganda
Let me guess, bloodthirsty warmongering, in this case, means supporting a country fighting off a hostile invasion by their neighbour?
Do you actually know anything about what’s going on that isn’t from Western sources?
Did you know that the Donbass was being shelled by Ukrainian forces since 2014?
Bloodthirsty is when you turn the other cheek for 8 years and then avoid civilian casualties when you defend yourself.
Also escalating to war over Taiwan? Redeployment of troops in Philippines, making new nuclear alliances (AUKUS, attempts to expand NATO to East Asia.) So yes, a lot of counts of bloodthirsty warmongering. Regardless of your politics, these actions are undeniably escalatory. Just saw your username. Unsurprising.
